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Berklix - Free Mail Lists

This Is http://berklix.org/berklix/lists/ &
http://berklix.org/lists/

Mail Lists Are served by Mailman (New 2016 Aug. / Sept. )

Mailman (New) is easier to use than Majordomo (Retired)

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Mail List Functionality

For Organisations Berklix.org
Server Facilities Berklix.Net
List Software (New) Mailman
(Retired) Majordomo
Mail Filters All lists are only accessible to members,
Some lists are announcements only,
Some have *-chat open discussion lists
Some have *-org@ organisers lists
Tech lists are open writable to all,
No lists censored = moderated. (If post fails, you posted from a non subscribed address, discarded unseen even by list owner.)
Do Not Mail Human List Owners! - Especially Not Subscription Change Requests (automaticaly silently discarded) !
Operating System FreeBSD
Servers Berklix
Configuration Consultancy Berklix.Com
Site Sponsors

Up to at least 8th July 2016:
Partial Mail Lists Disruption By Some Subscribers'
Bad Internet Service Providers (ISPs)

Between 16 Jun 2016 & Fri, 1 Jul 2016, Bad Mail Providers rejected list mail from servers including berklix

Bad Mail Providers
aol.com aol.de compuserve.com hotmail.co.uk hotmail.com hotmail.de live.de msn.com yahoo.co.uk yahoo.com yahoo.de yahoo.fr ymail.com
Notes:
  • Some other domains might also be served by these bad providers.
  • Bad Providers adopt stupidly simple spam detector rules, such as "Individual mail we'll pass, but list mail to more than eg 6 recipients may be spam so we block unless we can force list operators (like Berklix) to accept our half baked SPF & similar non standard rules."
  • Test list mail from Berklix to your address
    • Don't send test mails as broadcast to main lists, that annoys many other subscribers!
    • Subscribe to list test.
      Unfortunately, as there's usually very few addresses subscribed at any one time to test (only people currently testing), you may not trigger & detect your bad provider's daft bulk spam detect rules by mailing to test. Maybe later Berklix will permanently subscribe a number of null addresses to test@ to get round that idiot detector rule of Bad Providers.
Some Good Mail Provider:,
5sl.org alice-dsl.de amirhmoin.com arcor.de basler.de berklix.com berklix.org chesalb.de cockcroft.de craincom.de de.astellas.com debitel.net devnet.de epo.org esea.com eso.org eurocub.com fcagney.com framepool.de freedict.de freenet.de genion.de germanynet.de gmail.com gmx.at gmx.ch gmx.com gmx.de gmx.net googlemail.com guru.de hypovereinsbank.de iee.org jekat.com kclalumni.net ltx.com martin-collins.de metz.im mglug.de millard.ch mittelalter.com mnet-online.de msd.de muc.mtu.de nexgo.de o2.com oracle.com pacbell.net partner.bmw.de renemagic.com rrison.de schaufenbuel.net semitest.de snake.de soeldner-muenchen.de stuartdean.de t-online.de t-systems.com talk21.com tele2.de thunell.com thunell.de tuco.de verilab.com web.de wp.pl wyrmwood.com
Of course, there is a world of other good domains also not listed smiley

Subscribers Of Berklix Lists, Your Help Requested

Please phone or mail forward this to your Berklix friends on Bad Mail Providers, & tell them if they haven't received Berklix list mail with event announcement(s) etc recently, they're still welcome to join us. They were not removed from Berklix lists. It's that their Bad Mail Provider has deliberately rejecting list mail, including from Berklix, flooding Berklix with Reject messages.

Subscribers With Bad Mail Providers

  • Do not trust your mail provider, it deliberately blocked mail, may still be doing so, or may resume later.
  • Complain to your mail provider.
  • Plan to Dump your mail provider.
  • Ask friends which mail provider they use & why, there's lots of Good Mail Providers, many free, & also some paid with phone line etc.) any not listed above as Bad Mail Providers should be OK.
  • Get a 2nd mail provider.
    • Notice the Bad Mail Providers seem to be Microsoft owned, &/or USA based ?
    • Some Bad Mail Providers have been trouble before, trying to cut staff by forcing their mail admin work (especially for such as list mail) back on senders & attempting to coerce the Internet to half baked non standards.
    • Better subscribe via a Good Mail Provider, perhaps owned, managed, run & regulated in Europe, though most non MS owned, non USA major providers, anywhere else in the world are probably also OK.
  • Subscribe your Good Mail Provider address.
  • Unsubscribe your Bad Mail Provider address.
  • Use (New) Mailman
  • If You Remain Subscribed Via Your Bad Mail Provider, Berklix May Forcibly Unsubscribe You Without Notice, to protect list owners from reject noise from Bad Mail Providers.
  • If your provider is not listed above, your provider is Good Mail Provider, Berklix has seen no error report, no need to ask Berklix if you are OK.

  Berklix Warned About Bad Mail Providers In 2010:
Berklix Will Dump All Yahoo & Hotmail Mail Addresses.

TECHNICAL (non technical people should skip this):

The Bad Mail Providers were trying to force List Servers to change header From: & Sender: fields etc (& some wanted DMARC & / or other things

Early July, it seems some Bad Mail Providers may be backing off again, bounce errors are reducing; Probably some will try again, as some have tried before for SPF, it's still worth dumping Bad Mail Providers for Good Mail Provider.

Berklix models its headers on FreeBSD.Org (&/or other independent internet developers).
Berklix is not coerced by large American owned Bad Mail Providers or Microsoft inspired (non!) "standards" lobbies etc:
There have been articles before criticising MS backed ideas such as SPF; Search for " SPF considered Harmful" (Here's one at random).

Berklix does not waste time unpaid, pandering to requirements of Bad Mail Provider that often have also evaded responsibility, failing to provide postmaster@ & abuse@ addresses).

Joining & Leaving Lists

  • Use: (New) Mailman
  • Do Not ask humans to do your [un]subscribe work for you for you.
    Such requests are automatically filtered & silently discarded unseen. We are all unpaid, & we waste no time on the lazy who refuse to learn the [un]subscribe robot.

Do Not Mail Your Subscription Change Requests To Event Organisers, List Owners, Or Mailman Owner !

Most mail to most lists owners & (New) Mailman & owner is still automatically silently discarded unseen!
Sorry, Unfortunate. Why it was necessary: Blame lazy clueless mean people, inc. too many GEA.
  • Even though the newer (New) Mailman is much easier to use than the older (Retired) Majordomo, the filters remain, to protect list owners & server administrators from some list members, mainly GEA who deliberately wasted our time.
  • (Retired) Majordomo worked fine until Aug. - Sept. 2016 when it was phased out for (New) Mailman
  • Numerous non- technical people learnt & used (Retired) Majordomo successfully.
  • A few people who genuinely admitted computers were not their thing, got sympathy, & were administrator's encourgment to provide more information & examples to try to help.
  • (Wouldnt be suprising if (Retired) Majordomo@berklix might have been one of the best documented instances of (Retired) Majordomo on the web.)
  • Many list specific pages under www.berklix.org also held examples how to subscribe, unsubscribe etc. (info stripped since arrival of (New) Mailman).
  • There were also several (Retired) Majordomo specific help pages, extra info pages & links & worked examples.
  • Despite all that, some refused to read, learn, think, & try experimenting with variants for success; They falsely asserted (Retired) Majordomo did not work, when it was them being lazy, thus ignorant & failing to think. ).
  • Dont believe those who tell you (Retired) Majordomo @ Berklix did not work!
    Anecdote: One clown who demanded to waste administrator's unpaid time, also claimed he was a programmer! Asumption was he was a liar, bone idle, or professional incompetent as (Retired) Majordomo was working; & so many real programmers have learned (Retired) Majordomo worldwide after a few goes, self included; including all on some lists on ex (Retired) Majordomo driven Berklix mail lists & including other (Retired) Majordomo servers elsewhere globaly.
  • (New) Mailman only needed to replace (Retired) Majordomo after server hardware failed & OS software upgrades required new application software.
  • Until then, administrator time needed to upgrade to (New) Mailman was not available for years, as time that could have been used for mutual benefit of all was persistently wasted by some list members.
  • Selfish lazy people, mostly GEA, refused to learn (Retired) Majordomo, & persistently demanded administrator waste his time to do their [un]subscribe change request work for them.
  • More time was lost creating & linking ever more detailed help, how to un-sub & sub, & how & why to send ascii, & how to look at headers etc: (Basic education for the computer illiterate) ... That many (not all) GEA people remained forever too bone idle to use.
  • Two thieves stole & replicated the main GEA list, provoking a storm of duplicate reports, confusion, & complaints.
  • Numerous people mistakenly wrote to whole lists (ins some cases, lists of 250 people), asking for personal subscription changes. That nidged some clueless people to cascade "Me too" replies to list.
  • Some malicious GEA members also encouraged an avalanche of unsubcribe requests to whole list, instead of to correct (Retired) Majordomo unsubscribe request address.
  • I don't recall any GEA list member protecting lists by a short reply on list with a "Do It Yourself - How to Is in Headers & Footers!". Though that has happily happened on other Berklix lists & other lists on other domains.
  • More admin time was lost adding filters to protect lists, list owners, & administrator from ignorant list members inappropriate subscription request noise, & personal noise from bone idle ingrates.
  • Not one member of any list (GEA or other) Ever requested the option to donate 10 Euros to a charity, to pay to waste the administrator's time for their personal benefit.
  • Mailman Owner Refuses To Waste Time For Infinitely Lazy Thus Clueless People Who Meanly & Stupidly Refuse To Learn (New) Mailman
  • Some list members perpetrated dirtier tricks to disrupt service, wasting yet more administrator time.
  • Though the vast majority of people on many lists behaved well, & lots already knew or learnt (Retired) Majordomo, some GEA people - not all - were rotten apples, wasting administrator time that could have instead gone to upgrading to everyones benefit.

Above is why:

  • Many list owners & (New) Mailman owner addresses are now protected by automatic junk discard filters.
  • Most non technical eg social & sport lists are now announcements only from listed event organisers, to protect from incompetents.
  • Some announce only lists were given suplementary -chat lists, to retain original open unmoderated scope, at risk of inappropriate traffic from incompetents, each person can make own choice whether just to join LIST-announce@ or also LIST-chat@.
  • Technical lists (except announcements lists) remain open to all members to post
  • Though this above is less open than it used to be, when every list used to open to be written by every member, it's as open as possible.

No Censors, No Moderators

  • There are no human "moderators" aka censors on any list. (The administrator loathes moderated lists & forums & is Not a moderator/censor here or elsewhere), he reads lists like you, after someone posts to lists.)
  • All lists have filters to automaticly silently discard unallowed posts to list of form "unsubscribe me" , "change my address" etc/. sub & unsub via mail or web, do it yourself properly like it tells you in headers & footers!.
  • If your post to a list fails, you were Not censored
    • But list owners will also not see your post ( as our (New) Mailman usually silently discard as spam, any mail from any address not listed as a member.
    • So You Yourself Must Check you post with a 'From:' header that matches you subscribed address that (New) Mailman sends to.
    • Dont forget the address (New) Mailman send to may be forwarded via a series of your old employers or providers.
    • Your final receiving address - & who you Think you are - is totaly irrelevant ! Post only with a 'From:' address that matches the address (New) Mailman mails to you with.

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